Can u be banned from a AA Club/meeting

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Permalink Reply by Tommy on December 25, 2009 at 10:54pm

The rule of law does not abate at the treshhhold of an AA meeting or club. It isn't even a close call. Of course he can be kept out, even in if there were no restraining order.

But again in your situation it's clear - he's out. Anyone who allows this fellow in with knowledge of a restraining order can be liable for aiding and abetting or contempt (a restraining order is an order of the court). Don't think this to death - he can and, if your summary is accurate, should be out - period.

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Permalink Reply by Anonymous Man on December 26, 2009 at 9:02am

Hi Sean. Club houses where AA meetings are held are solely responsible for the conduct of their members and are totally seperate From AA.. How they chose to run the place is totally up to them and is not affiliated with AA in any way. So yes they can remove anyone, AA member or not, and not allow membership to that club as they see fit. Each group that rents space in that clubhouse or meeting hall is responsible to itself and its format and meeting structure. But to get to your main question. Anyone being disruptive in an AA meeting may be asked to leave and yes if that same person continues with this kind of behavior may be banned from that group all together. Violence In an AA meeting should never be tolerateted. But lets say someone or another AA Member commits an violent act on an AA member in a certain group. Can that group ban them from that group? Answer .Yes . Sure they can. Can that same group forgive that person and allow them future attendance at that meeting again sure they can as long as that person does not commit any further acts of violence in that group. Its not up to the club to monitor the individual its up to the individual to monitor themselves. Put it this way if someone came to an AA meeting and told me he just stole a steak so he could eat that night. Do i call the cops and have him arrested for shoplifting ? Me probably not. Now if Ted Bundy walked in? Well thats a whole nother story right. But anyway the federal gouvernment has covertley placed agents in AA meetings since Hoover so dont sweat it they'll take care of it. So if your a known criminal confessing your crimes in an AA meeting watch out cuz we have been infiltrated at all levels of law enforcement. But for the life of me i dont know why they havent hualed Tommy away yet. Hope it helps ..Aman.....

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Permalink Reply by Tommy on December 26, 2009 at 11:27am

Simple, I wear a skull cap and fake glasses. I'm not stuuuuupid. But don't be so sure it's up to the individual to to monitor themselves in matters other than moral. The laws of most states have enough wiggle room for devious DAs, County Attorneys, etc... to make someone's life misreable for knowingly aiding a crime. And they love to do that in my county(the County Attorney here is "inventing" indictments and civil lawsuits to arrest or sue some judges who rule against him in criminal cases-seriously!). The question is "are you willing to take the chance?"

Hey our HG has a zero tolerance rule on violence - any act or threat - you're out. I've been told in the 27 years the HG has existed the rule has never been required. While the only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking, that doesn't mean a predator is welcome JUST BECAUSE he has a desire to stop drinking.

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Permalink Reply by Anonymous Man on December 27, 2009 at 8:30am

Hey G Man hes right here. Look^^^^^^

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Permalink Reply by AnnaDrama on December 26, 2009 at 11:59am

From personal experience - YES. Having managed a recovery club, having had a personal situation that involved a restraining order and having served as a trusted servant in a few groups (AA), absolutely, a person can be removed, or even "banned" from a meeting. ESPECIALLY if there is a restraining order. The bottom line is, we are all responsible for our OWN behavior. When we can't or won't do that, then others, and eventually, the law MAY step in, and attempt to do it for us.

A group or a club can remove or ban someone WITHOUT a court order.

If a person is being consistently disruptive or threatening violence, then for the group, the GROUP UNITY should come into play. In many groups, if a person is a real danger, there may be a business meeting called (a group conscience in the case of an AA group) and the situation is discussed. Someone speaks to the person in question (usually an officer of the group), and lets them know what the GROUP CONSCIENCE has decided.

As a club manager, I have had to ask members and non-members to leave the premises. I have also had to get something similar to restraining orders for the CLUB. Here they are called no trespass orders. That was after repeated attempts to get those people to "restrain" their own behavior. The club can also ban someone WITHOUT a court order - the by-laws of the local club I managed have guidelines for that, as well as for appeal to the board for readmittance.

Once a situation gets to the point where there is a restraining order, most restraining orders go both ways - no contact is for both parties concerned. In my own personal case, if one or the other of us were present FIRST, the other could not attend. We were also restrained from discussion of the situation, lol... so, even with "anonymity", we were a little more prudent with our "sharing" while in meetings. At least, I was, lololol. Eventually, he chose a new home group, but stayed active with the club. *MY* greatest concern, oddly enough, was for the other person's reputation - and I did my best to keep my side of the situation very private - the only people who knew of it in any detailed way were the President of the club, and the GSR of my home group, who was my sponsor at the time. But, of course, there were what I call " well intentioned" AA members who just had to keep that pot stirred up, of course. *sigh* It got very ugly.

Anyway, I don't believe that AA as a WHOLE has any "stance" on these issues - it is a group level, group conscience situation. These are things that must be decided by the group or club members.

Just my ESH.

Keep the faith-Dawn

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Permalink Reply by Tom on December 26, 2009 at 12:03pm

I think cattle prods could be useful here?

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Permalink Reply by Tommy on December 26, 2009 at 1:56pm

Tasers! Tasers!!

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Permalink Reply by Anonymous Man on December 27, 2009 at 8:21am

Im parcial to disco dollars myself. Their more up close and personal.Wink....

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Permalink Reply by Anonymous Man on December 27, 2009 at 8:51am

Sean something else you may consider is just staying out of it and let the club or group take care of the situation. Save your serenity tokens for when you really need them. Keep Punching.....Aman.....

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Permalink Reply by Alexa Kody on December 27, 2009 at 6:08pm

In our area there are over 300 meetings a week. I know this club and the situation at hand. If this man is seeking AA he can find it any day of the week outside of the club. It's the building he is banned from, not AA. Therefore the person who is trying to find a safe meeting can attend without harm. There are 2 sides to every situation. Let's assist the person who truly wants the recovery instead of the person who wants a good excuse!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Permalink Reply by ralph h deep jr. on December 27, 2009 at 6:29pm

In my stupidity, I was always referred to as incoragible. I love fist fighting, and had no morals. Frighteningly enough, I am now the Sgt. in Arms of the above mentioned club. My 1st reaction was to pop this guy like a Zit! With later thought and prayer, I did not!!! I agree with the ban of said person from club. Just like the D.J. said at the VIP in the early 80's,You don't have to go home, But You can't stay Here! To Sean and Brian I'll see you at the Home group. As for the friends of bill site, it's the best PARTY in town.

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Permalink Reply by brian s gerhard on December 27, 2009 at 10:22pm

know since ralph just said he will see me at the home group should i take this as a threat? hmm well if he puts his teeth in then maybe not. but then again i have never had broken skin from being gummed by a man. such violence such violence. this person with no doubt should be banned from private property after making several physical threats of violence towards members of the club male and female. this is not an AA issue this is a private property issue. the american legion i was a membeof had the same right to ban a person who acted in such a way. this is a club which has dues to a member off and has every right to protect its members and property.

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